Brent Sadler (CNN): “Can you
state here and now - does
Hussein Kamel, Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law: “No.
This is a snippet from a TV
interview on 21 September 1995, a transcript of which can be read on CNN’s
website [1]
today, and probably could have been read there in March 2003, when the US/UK
invaded Iraq, ostensibly because it possessed “weapons of mass destruction”.
Hussein Kamel was in a position to
know what he was talking about since for almost a decade he had been in
administrative control of
Six weeks earlier, on 7 August 1995,
Kamel had left
UNSCOM/IAEA “note for the file”
A UN inspection team, led by the
first head of UNSCOM, Rolf Ekeus, interviewed Hussein Kamel on 22 August
1995. A 15-page “note for the file” on
the interview (headed UNSCOM/IAEA SENSITIVE) came into the public domain a few weeks
before the US/UK invasion of
In the “note for the file”, Hussein
Kamel is quoted as saying:
“All weapons – biological, chemical, missile, nuclear were
destroyed.” (p13).
On chemical weapons, he said:
“All chemical weapons were destroyed. I ordered destruction of all chemical
weapons.” (p13)
Earlier (p7), he described anthrax
as the “main focus” of
Asked about the 819 Soviet-made
missiles
“Not a single missile left, but they had blueprints and
molds for production. All missiles were destroyed.” (p8)
At the time of the interview in
August, UN inspectors had been in
The CIA and MI6 also interviewed
Kamel in August 1995, and he told them the same story.
Valuable informant?
In the months before the US/UK
invasion of Iraq, the US and UK Governments continually cited Hussein Kamel as
a valuable informant about Iraq’s “weapons of mass destruction” and as proof
that interrogation of Iraqis who participated in these programmes, rather than
detective work by UN inspectors, was the way to locate and destroy them. This was part of making the case for taking
military action against
Needless to say, in the months
before the invasion, US/UK spokesmen consistently omitted to mention that
Hussein Kamel had told UN inspectors that “all weapons – biological, chemical,
missile, nuclear were destroyed”.
In a speech on 7 October 2002,
President Bush declared [3]:
“In 1995, after several years of deceit by the Iraqi regime,
the head of
The President did not tell his
audience that as of August 1995, according to Kamel, “all weapons – biological,
chemical, missile, nuclear were destroyed”.
Likewise, in his presentation to the
Security Council on 5 February 2003, Secretary of State, Colin Powell, claimed [4]:
“It took years for
Colin Powell made it clear that his
Security Council presentation was the product of his personal appraisal of the
available intelligence. But he
apparently failed to notice that Kamel had told UN inspectors that “all weapons
– biological, chemical, missile, nuclear were destroyed”, which rendered his
presentation somewhat less than complete.
Likewise, on 18 March 2003, Prime
Minister Blair told the House of Commons [5]:
“In August [1995], it [
Saddam’s son-in-law, Hussein Kamal, defected to
“Kamal also revealed
then forced to release documents that showed just how
extensive those programmes were.”
Plainly, in Prime Minister Blair’s
opinion, Kamel had provided reliable evidence about
Had he done so, the House of Commons
would not have voted for military action against
(Shortly afterwards, Labour MP, Llew
Smith, asked the Prime Minister “pursuant to his statement of 18 March 2003 ...
on the information provided by Hussein Kamal on Iraq’s weapons of mass
destruction, if he will place in the [House of Commons] Library the text of the
interview”. Blair’s disingenuous reply
on 26 March 2003 was [6]:
“Following his defection, Hussein Kamal was interviewed by
UNSCOM and by a number of other agencies. Details concerning the interviews
were made available to us on a confidential basis. The
By then, the UNSCOM/IAEA “note for
the file” was in the public domain.)
Importance to UNSCOM
Hussein Kamel’s defection was a very
important event in the history of the UN inspection of
“... the overall period of the Commission’s disarmament work
must be divided into two parts, separated by the events following the departure
from
UN inspectors learned a great deal
as a result of Hussein Kamel’s defection (a) because of what he told them
directly, and (b) because his defection forced Iraq to reveal other aspects of
its proscribed weapons programmes. In
particular, inspectors learned the full extent of
UNMOVIC – UNSCOM’s successor – published
a comprehensive survey of
“In early August 1995, Lieutenant-General Hussein Kamal
defected to
“Lieutenant-General Hussein Kamal’s defection also
precipitated new disclosures by
Hussein Kamel’s defection was very
important for the inspection process. His
name comes up constantly in UN inspection reports. Judging by what he told UN inspectors (and
CNN), he had turned against Saddam Hussein’s regime and it was difficult to
believe that he giving false information on its behalf. Certainly, there is no suggestion in UN
reports that the information he supplied was anything other than accurate. But, to the best of my knowledge, nowhere in
these reports is there a mention of his extraordinary assertion that
Why so little impact?
Why did Hussein Kamel’s revelations
that
Disarmament obligations were imposed
upon
In addition, Resolution 687 laid
down that the economic sanctions imposed on
From the outset, the
For example, on 20 May 1991,
President George Bush said:
“At this juncture, my view is we don’t want to lift these
sanctions as long as Saddam Hussein is in power”.
On 14 January 1993, just before
assuming office, President Clinton quashed suggestions that his administration
would adopt a different stance towards
“There is no difference between my policy and the policy of
the present Administration.... I have no intention of normalizing relations
with him [Saddam Hussein].” (New York Times, 15 January 1993)
On 26 March 1997, just after her
appointment as Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright said [10]:
“We do not agree with the nations who argue that if
“Is it possible to conceive of such a government under
Saddam Hussein? When I was a professor, I taught that you have to consider all
possibilities. As Secretary of State, I have to deal in the realm of reality
and probability. And the evidence is overwhelming that Saddam Hussein’s
intentions will never be peaceful.”
Regime change in
“It should be the policy of the
The
(There is little doubt that the
“My Government believes that it will in fact prove
impossible for
UNSCOM accounting
That was the political
background. Happily for the
UNSCOM inspectors set out to account
for what happened to all proscribed weapons and related material imported into
For each proscribed item – a
particular warhead, for example – the question for UNSCOM was: has the total
quantity imported/manufactured been used up in war or destroyed by US/UK
bombing or by
UNSCOM’s objective was to get
The fact that a member of Saddam
Hussein’s inner circle, who was in a position to know, had stated bluntly that
Iraq no longer possessed “weapons of mass destruction” was irrelevant to this
accounting process – since he didn’t supply evidence of their use/destruction.
Qualitatively disarmed?
The final UNSCOM report of January
1999 [7] specifies many
items with “unaccounted for” quantities.
But, in reality, by this time UNSCOM was confident that the bulk of
But, what evidence is there that UNSCOM
was confident that
First, the Amorim report. After the UN inspectors were forced out of
Nuclear weapons
“On the basis of its findings, the
[International Atomic Energy] Agency is able to state that there is no
indication that Iraq possesses nuclear weapons or any meaningful amounts of
weapon-usable nuclear material or that Iraq has retained any practical
capability (facilities or hardware) for the production of such material.”
(paragraph 14)
Proscribed Missiles
“With regard to items selected as
key for the purpose of the verification of the material balance of proscribed
missiles and related operational assets, UNSCOM was able to destroy or
otherwise account for: (a) 817 out of 819 imported operational missiles of
proscribed range; (b) all declared mobile launchers for proscribed Al Hussein
class missiles, including 14 operational launchers; the disposition of 9 of the
10 imported trailers used for the indigenous production of mobile launchers;
and the destruction of 56 fixed missile launch sites; (c) 73 to 75 chemical and
biological warheads of the declared 75 operational special warheads for Al
Hussein class missiles; 83 of the 107 imported and some 80 of the 103
indigenously produced conventional warheads declared by Iraq to be in its
possession at the time of the adoption of resolution 687.” (paragraph 16)
Chemical weapons
“UNSCOM has supervised or been able
to certify the destruction, removal or rendering harmless of large quantities
of chemical weapons (CW), their components and major chemical weapons
production equipment as follows: (a) over 88,000 filled and unfilled chemical
munitions; (b) over 600 tonnes of weaponized and bulk CW agents; (c) some 4,000
tonnes of precursor chemicals; (d) some 980 pieces of key production equipment;
(e) some 300 pieces of analytical instruments. The prime CW development and
production complex in
Biological weapons
“UNSCOM ordered and supervised the
destruction of
Overall conclusion
“The elements presented above
indicate that, in spite of well-known difficult circumstances, UNSCOM and IAEA
have been effective in uncovering and destroying many elements of
(A year earlier, on 4 February 1998,
the
“UNSCOM and the IAEA have succeeded in destroying or controlling
the vast majority of Saddam’s 1991 weapons of mass destruction (WMD) capability”.
See Paragraph 181 of the
Second, the evidence of Rolf Ekeus,
the first head of UNSCOM, who left in 1997 to become Swedish Ambassador to
“I would say that we felt that in all areas we have
eliminated
This wasn’t an isolated remark by
Ekeus. It was made at the end of a
dialogue in which Ekeus agreed that emphasis on the “quantitative disarmament”
of Iraq, that is, the attempt to account for every last nut and bolt of Iraq’s proscribed
weapons and related material, should be replaced by an emphasis on monitoring
Iraqi facilities to attempt to ensure that Iraq’s proscribed weapons programmes
were not revived.
An Associated Press report by George
Gedda on 16 August 2000 (see [16]) confirms
that this was Ekeus’ position:
“More optimistic is Swede Rolf Ekeus ... ‘I would say that we felt that in all areas we have eliminated Iraq 's capabilities fundamentally’, Ekeus said in a speech at Harvard in May.
“But rather than have UN inspectors try to track down whatever weapons remain, Ekeus believes the focus should be on preventing Iraq from engaging in a new weapons buildup.”
Establishing a permanent monitoring
system was part of the original UNSCOM/IAEA mandate laid down by the Security
Council in Resolution 687, and an elaborate monitoring system had been established
with
During 1998,
Ostensibly, the purpose of Operation
Desert Fox, the US/UK bombing of
Clinton and Blair knew that
by bombing
“It [the bombing
campaign] was quite deliberately undertaken by us in the knowledge this would
mean that the inspections regime would come to an end and would have to be
replaced by a policy of containment.”
Without inspectors in
Hussein Kamel’s assertion in August
1995 that all
The
“
Section 5.2 of the report
(Paragraphs 155-209) deals with the intelligence from 1992 to 1998. Kamel’s contribution to the Joint
Intelligence Committee [JIC]’s increased knowledge of Iraq’s nuclear programmes
is recorded in Paragraph 169, of chemical weapons in Paragraph 177, of
biological weapons in Paragraph 185 and of missiles in Paragraphs 199-200.
On chemical agents and weapons,
Paragraph 177 says:
“In the same vein, in August 1995, drawing on evidence provided
by Hussein Kamil after his defection, the JIC concluded that: ‘We assess [Iraq]
may also have hidden some specialised equipment and stocks of precursor
chemicals but it is unlikely they have a covert stockpile of weapons or agent
in any significant quantity; Hussein Kamil claims there are no remaining
stockpiles of agent.’ [JIC assessment, 24 August 1995]”
From that, it is fairly clear that
the JIC believed Kamel when he said that chemical agents and weapons
manufactured before the Gulf War had been destroyed. And there is no indication later in the
report that the JIC’s original confidence in Kamel’s claim was overridden by
later information.
But this material was still on
UNSCOM’s “unaccounted for” list when its inspectors were withdrawn in December
1998, and was still on UNMOVIC’s “unaccounted for” list in March 2003. As we will see, on 18 March 2003, the Prime
Minister reeled off a list of chemical agents and weapons from this
“unaccounted for” list, and gave the impression that we had on UN authority
that they definitely existed – even though it appears that in August 1995 the
JIC believed Kamel when he said they had been destroyed.
From Paragraphs 199 and 200 of the
report, it is clear that in August 1995 the JIC also believed what Kamel said
about missiles and missile components having been destroyed:
“... the JIC assessment of August 1995 included an analysis
of
“In the same
reassuring vein, the JIC said that: ‘We would expect Kamil to know a lot about
the missile programme . . . He has also said that all the Scuds and their
components have been destroyed . . .’ [ibid]”
Nevertheless, the Prime Minister
felt able to tell the House of Commons on 18 March 2003 that “an entire Scud
missile programme” (whatever he meant by that) had been “left unaccounted for”
by UNSCOM in 1998 and it was “palpably absurd” that Saddam had destroyed it.
However, it seems that the JIC did
not believe Kamel about the destruction of biological agents and weapons. Paragraph 185 of the report says:
“... following the defection of Hussein Kamil and the Iraqi
admission of an extensive biological weapons programme, the JIC had growing
concerns that Iraq was concealing biological agent stocks.”
Newsweek report
One might have thought that the
public assertion by Hussein Kamel on CNN in September 1995 that “Iraq does not
possess any weapons of mass destruction” would have been cited in public controversy
about the existence or otherwise of these weapons in the lead up to the US/UK
invasion of Iraq. But it wasn’t.
A few weeks before the invasion, the
UNSCOM/IAEA “note for the file” on their interview with Kamel was leaked to Newsweek journalist John Barry. He wrote an article based on its contents, which
was posted on the Newsweek website on
24 February 2003 and published in the 3 March 2003 issue (see, for example, [18]). The article began:
“Hussein Kamel, the highest-ranking Iraqi official ever to
defect from Saddam Hussein’s inner circle, told CIA and British intelligence
officers and UN inspectors in the summer of 1995 that after the Gulf War, Iraq
destroyed all its chemical and biological weapons stocks and the missiles to
deliver them.”
Barry was an experienced journalist
– he headed The Sunday Times Insight team
in the early 70s – who had acquired an extraordinary scoop. It merited a Newsweek cover story, but his editors placed it in the
miscellaneous Periscope section of
the magazine with the uninformative headline, The Defector’s Secrets.
Furthermore, Newsweek’s online version had a sub-heading Before his death, a high-ranking defector
said
Barry’s article ended:
“The notes of the U.N. interrogation – a three-hour stretch
one August evening in 1995 – show that Kamel was a gold mine of information. He
had a good memory and, piece by piece, he laid out the main personnel, sites
and progress of each WMD program. Kamel was a manager – not a scientist or
engineer – and, sources say, some of his technical assertions were later found
to be faulty. (A military aide who defected with Kamel was apparently a more
reliable source of technical data. This aide backed Kamel’s assertions about
the destruction of WMD stocks.) But, overall, Kamel’s information was ‘almost
embarrassing, it was so extensive’, Ekeus recalled – including the fact that
Ekeus’s own Arabic translator, a Syrian, was, according to Kamel, an Iraqi
agent who had been reporting to Kamel himself all along.”
Clearly, Barry had contacted Rolf
Ekeus (who interviewed Kamel in August 1995) in writing his story. Note that, as reported by Barry, Ekeus gave
the impression that Kamel had been an informative and reliable witness.
One might have thought that this
revelation would have provoked a major public controversy at a time when Bush
and Blair were pushing hard to persuade the Security Council to endorse
military action against
The publication of Barry’s story
online on 24 February 2003 stimulated Reuters to write a report the same day,
headed US,
“The CIA on Monday denied a Newsweek magazine report that
Saddam Hussein's son-in-law told the
In it, a CIA spokesman, Bill Harlow,
is quoted as saying:
“It is incorrect, bogus, wrong, untrue.”
and a “British government source” is
quoted as saying:
“We’ve checked back and he didn’t say this. ... He said just the opposite, that the WMD
program was alive and kicking.”
Other stories
A week later, on 1 March 2003, a
small number of media stories appeared on both sides of the Atlantic (prompted,
presumably, by the print edition of Newsweek
reaching the news stands) – for example, in The
Washington Post, The Boston Globe,
The Guardian and The Scotsman (see the website of the Traprock Peace Center [20] for the text of
these). In several of them, Rolf Ekeus
is quoted. Unlike the two Governments,
he didn’t deny that Kamel had said that all proscribed material had been
destroyed, but dismissed him as “a consummate liar”, without giving any
examples of his lying – which seems to be at variance with what he had said to
John Barry of Newsweek a week
earlier. I remember Ekeus dismissing
Kamel in a similar manner on BBC Radio 4’s Today
programme, in response to a story by Andrew Gilligan.
Happily for the US/UK, Ekeus’s
dismissal of Kamel as “a consummate liar” was sufficient to kill the story –
and a few weeks later the US/UK invaded
Around the beginning of March 2003,
the complete UNSCOM/IAEA “note for the file” came into the public domain,
thanks to Glen Rangwala. It was his
comment on it in February 2003 [21] that first
brought it to my attention.
Scott Ritter
An article by Scott Ritter called The Case for Iraq's Qualitative Disarmament
was published in the June 2000 issue of Arms
Control Today [22]. Ritter resigned as an UNSCOM inspector in
August 1998. In this article, he quoted
from the UNSCOM/IAEA “note for the file” on the Kamel interview (about
The thesis of his article was
“... because of the work carried out by UNSCOM, it can be
fairly stated that
(It should be noted that, in
December 1998, he had advanced the very different thesis that “even today, Iraq
is not nearly disarmed” in an article in the New Republic – see, for example, [23]).
This view that
Nor did he mention it later, when he
could have caused the US/UK warmongers considerable difficulty by releasing it,
given that they were forever mentioning Kamel in support of their case. Imagine the confusion that would have ensued
had he released the UNSCOM/IAEA “note for the file” on 24 September 2002, the
day the British Government published its dossier on
Weapons being produced
Hussein Kamel got a mention in the
British Government’s dossier [24]:
“Following
the defection in August 1995 of Hussein Kamil, Saddam’s son-in-law and former
Director of the Military Industrialisation Commission,
However,
his revelation that “all weapons – biological, chemical, missile, nuclear were
destroyed” was missing from the dossier.
Of
course, Kamel was referring to weapons produced prior to the Gulf War in 1991
and destroyed afterwards. The dossier
asserted that
“What I believe the assessed intelligence has established
beyond doubt is that Saddam has continued to produce chemical and biological
weapons ...”
In presenting the dossier to the
House of Commons on 24 September 2002, he asserted unequivocally [25]:
“... [Saddam Hussein’s] chemical, biological and nuclear
weapons programme is not an historic left-over from 1998. The inspectors are
not needed to clean up the old remains. His weapons of mass destruction
programme is active, detailed and growing. The policy of containment is not
working. The weapons of mass destruction programme is not shut down; it is up
and running now.”
Only old remains
However, for reasons that can only
be speculated about, Blair’s message on
Certainly, you will search in vain
in the Prime Minister’s speech in the House of Commons on 18 March 2003 for any
hint that
“When the inspectors left in 1998, they left unaccounted for
10,000 litres of anthrax; a far-reaching VX nerve agent programme; up to 6,500
chemical munitions; at least 80 tonnes of mustard gas, and possibly more than
10 times that amount; unquantifiable amounts of sarin, botulinum toxin and a
host of other biological poisons; and an entire Scud missile programme. We are
asked now seriously to accept that in the last few years – contrary to all
history, contrary to all intelligence – Saddam decided unilaterally to destroy
those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd.”
Listeners were meant to understand
from those remarks that UN inspectors had stated that this vast array of
weapons and agents actually existed in 1998 and therefore must still exist in
March 2003, since it was absurd to believe that Saddam Hussein destroyed it unilaterally
in the interim. (In fact, it wasn’t all
that absurd, since Saddam Hussein had destroyed loads of proscribed material
unilaterally in 1991).
Of course, UN inspectors merely said
that this material was “unaccounted for” in 1998, and was still unaccounted for
in March 2003. They never said it
actually existed. The Prime Minister
engaged in verbal trickery to conjure “unaccounted for” material into existence
in order to persuade the House of Commons to vote to take military action.
And he omitted to tell the House of
Commons that a reliable witness had told UN inspectors that “all weapons –
biological, chemical, missile, nuclear were destroyed”, causing the Joint
Intelligence Committee to conclude that Iraq hadn’t much in the way of missile
or of chemical weapons or agents.
What is more, he omitted to tell the
House of Commons that any “unaccounted for” sarin, VX and botulinum that did
exist would no longer be effective as warfare agents. A UN document Unresolved Disarmament Issues: Iraq’s Proscribed Weapons Programmes
[8],
published on 6 March 2003, a couple of weeks before he spoke, said so:
“There is no evidence that any bulk Sarin-type agents remain
in
“VX produced through route B [the method used by
“Any botulinum toxin that was produced and stored according
to the methods described by
Iraq Study Group
Was Hussein Kamel telling the
truth? It seems so. After the invasion, the CIA established the
Iraq Study Group (ISG) to find
On the central question - had
“ISG has not found evidence that Saddam Husayn possessed WMD
stocks in 2003, but the available evidence from its investigation – including
detainee interviews and document exploitation – leaves open the possibility
that some weapons existed in
When were the stocks unaccounted for
by UN inspectors destroyed? Answer:
“Following unexpectedly thorough inspections, Saddam ordered
Husayn Kamil in July 1991 to destroy unilaterally large numbers of undeclared
weapons and related materials to conceal
Specifically, on delivery systems:
“Desert Storm [1991 Gulf War] and subsequent UN resolutions
and inspections brought many of
“The Iraq Survey Group (ISG) has uncovered no evidence
On nuclear weapons:
“Iraq Survey Group (ISG) discovered further evidence of the
maturity and significance of the pre-1991 Iraqi Nuclear Program but found that
“Saddam Husayn ended the nuclear program in 1991 following
the Gulf war. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the
program.
“Although Saddam clearly assigned a high value to the
nuclear progress and talent that had been developed up to the 1991 war, the
program ended and the intellectual capital decayed in the succeeding years.”
(Chapter 4, Key Findings)
On chemical weapons:
“While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions
have been discovered, ISG judges that
On biological weapons:
“ISG judges that in 1991 and 1992,
It seems that Hussein Kamel told the
truth in August 1995.
David Morrison
4 May 2007
www.david-morrison.org.uk
References:
[1] www.cnn.com/WORLD/9509/iraq_defector/kamel_transcript/index.html
[2] www.david-morrison.org.uk/other-documents/kamal-unscom-19950822.pdf
[3] www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021007-8.html
[4] daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/PRO/N03/236/00/PDF/N0323600.pdf
[5] www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200203/cmhansrd/vo030318/debtext/30318-06.htm
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[7] www.un.org/Depts/unscom/s99-94.htm
[8] www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/new/documents/cluster_document.pdf
[9] www.david-morrison.org.uk/scrs/1991-0687.htm
[10] secretary.state.gov/www/statements/970326.html
[11] www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Legislation/ILA.htm
[12] www.casi.org.uk/info/undocs/sc910403.pdf
[13] www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/Amorim%20Report.htm
[14] www.butlerreview.org.uk/report/report.pdf
[15] www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2000/msg00701.html
[16] www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2000/msg00904.html
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[18] www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0226-01.htm
[19] web.archive.org/web/20030306211839/http:/abcnews.go.com/wire/US/
reuters20030224_550.html
[20] traprockpeace.org/kamelcoverage.html
[21] middleeastreference.org.uk/kamel.html
[22] www.armscontrol.org/act/2000_06/iraqjun.asp
[23] www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/12/21/981221-scott.htm
[24] www.number-10.gov.uk/files/pdf/iraqdossier.pdf
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[26] https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/index.html